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Welcome to episode 96 of the Apple Insider Podcast.

I'm your host Victor Marks and joining me is the highly esteemed and always respectable Daniel and indulger.

Hi, I'm still in O. That's time.

So, how is Thanksgiving in LA?

Well, good.

I was lying low.

I was going to go back to San Francisco,

but it just seemed like too much effort and then I'm kind of enjoying

San or LA not having traffic today so I'd look to the map where it doesn't just fall in the

free was I read.

Say that but I saw a beautiful picture of the 405,

and it was headlights down one side and tail lights down the other.

And not.

That was before. So today's pretty dead yeah but typically yeah there's a lot of

Crazy traffic the city the people of LA just voted for a big investment in transit.

So they're going to be expanding a lot of subways.

Because they've spent the 405 segment,

they spent a billion dollars putting high occupancy lanes on like retrofitting the

freeway making it wider and it after a billion dollars of investment they they

looked at the traffic and they couldn't find any

difference no appreciable difference so by the time you've built it right the

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