Welcome to Gender Reveal, a podcast where we hopefully get a little bit closer to understanding

what the hell gender is.

I'm your host and resident gender detective, Tuckwood Stock.

Hey everyone, hope you're all hanging in there.

Welcome back to Sistay of Visibility, a bit that arguably went too far.

For folks who are like, hey, Tuck, why the hell are you talking to cis people?

Is it your whole thing that you don't talk to cis people?

I hear you.

And that is why I originally wanted to run all of these interviews on the same day so that

it was very quick and easy to skip, but it turns out that making several weeks worth

of podcasts in one week is humanly impossible for a team of two people, so they're going

to be a spread out.

Anyway, that said, I think you're really going to like today's conversation.

I had a total blast talking with, it's been a minute host Sam Sanders for this episode,

which is, of course, part two of our Sistay of Visibility Episode 100 extravaganza.

Sam and I chatted about pushing the limits of NPR's objectivity rules, which you know

I loved.

I think for a long time, newsroom leadership was convinced that if a place like NPR was

objective enough, certain parts of like right wing Twitter would stop being mean to us.

We also talk about balding solidarity, the cis gay use of girl, and creating space for

richer black and trans narratives.

I refuse to only talk about black people as if all we do is suffer.

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