I'm Rebecca LeVoy and you're listening to Crime Riders on Serial, a special podcast

homage podcast.

I've assembled some crime writers in a round table to talk about everyone's favorite

obsessions serial the podcast produced by the Samaritan Life featuring Sarah Canig dissecting

every aspect of a crime committed about 15 years ago.

That was the murder of Hayman Lee and the conviction of her ex-boyfriend Adnan Saeed for

the crime.

Today we'll be talking about episode 10, which is called The Best Defense is a Good Defense.

I've co-authored three books about real crimes and if you're flipping through the more obscure

channels on your cable lineup late at night, you might see me talking about crime on one

of those docujournalism TV shows, you know, the kind with the reenactments, with names

like Deadly Women and Deadly Sins.

And today we're talking with some of my people, three other crime writers.

First, my real-life partner in crime, my co-author, Kevin Flynn.

He was a long-time TV reporter before jumping into crime writing with his first book about

New Hampshire serial killer, Shil La Bar, Wicked Intentions, Kevin.

Thanks for coming in to talk about serial with me.

Well, I didn't have a choice, but thank you, Rebecca.

Also here in this studio is Laura Bricker.

She's an experienced reporter, freelance writer, the author of the True Crime book, Lie After

Lie.

She also very interestingly worked as a private detective and a criminal defense investigator,

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