Everybody, what is going on? You know what time it is. You're listening to join the Journey podcast with your host, Emma, daughter.

Thanks for joining. I am in the podcast studio with today's Devo writer, Mr. Doug Kirsten. Let's go. Hey, friends. How we doing?

Doug, did I say your name right? You did? Oh, yes. All right, Doug. So we are on staffed

together. We know each other decently well. Yeah. We're not super well. I want to know how old were you

when you came to know the Lord? And how did that go down? I was 22. I was at, I'm in Nacadocious, Texas, and at an event called Finish Strong, a friend of ours that's now actually on staff. J.D. Yep. He put it on an event and just got to hear the gospel for the first time from his dad. Just his story and his testimony and just heard something different about the way he shared his faith and he was excited to go to heaven, just given the circumstances.

So, yeah, super cool. So cool. What a small world. Were you all friends in college?

Not at all. Okay. Yeah. And your wife, when did y'all meet?

Met, let's see, 2016, 2017 at the porch.

So we were both serving at launch, RIP.

Yeah, that was the weekend retreat for the porch, right?

Exactly, yeah.

Okay.

And you graduated with a degree in...

Kinesiology.

Okay, wait.

So my degree was in exercise science.

I was going to go to PT school, had everything lined out, and then did not enjoy that at all.

And so took a hard left and went to Parks and Rec for like seven or eight years.

And then after I got married, work-life balance wasn't what I thought it would be.

So I did a total shift and started grad school.

And then a position on finance team opened up.

And I raised my hand and said, hey, I think I might be decent at this.

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