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Inner Cosmos with David Eagleman

Ep83 "Why Do Your 30 Trillion Cells Feel Like a Self?" Part 2

Inner Cosmos with David Eagleman

iHeartPodcasts

Mental Health, Science, Self-improvement, Health & Fitness, Education

4.6524 Ratings

🗓️ 2 December 2024

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

Does our sense of self emerge from our brain's skill at lumping things into unchanging categories? What can we learn watching a caterpillar brain transition to a butterfly brain? Can we think of a memory as a pattern that stays alive and has its own life? Does an ant colony have a sense of self? Join Eagleman and biologist Michael Levin at Tufts – one of the most energetic and original thinkers in the field -- to dive into new territories of the self.

Transcript

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0:00.0

It's hard to read the news these days without asking yourself, how did we get here?

0:04.7

Fiasco is a history podcast for the co-creators of Slow Burn.

0:08.5

In our first season, Bush v. Gore, we examine an unmistakable turning point in American politics,

0:14.0

the 2000 election, which resulted in a high-stakes stalemate, ended with one of the most controversial rulings in Supreme Court history.

0:21.8

So if you're trying to make sense at the present moment, check out Fiasco, Bush v. Gore. Listen on the IHeart

0:26.9

Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Why do you think if you are 30 trillion cells as a self? Does an ant colony have a sense of self?

0:44.3

And could you think of all those ants as a liquid brain? What does any of this have to do with how the brain of a caterpillar transitions to the brain of a butterfly, or how we might

0:57.1

think of a memory as a pattern that stays alive and has its own life.

1:05.7

Welcome to Inner Cosmos with me, David Eagleman. I'm a neuroscientist and an author at Stanford, and in these

1:12.7

episodes, we dive deeply into our three-pound universe to uncover some of the most surprising

1:18.6

aspects of our lives. In the last episode, I talked about who we are and how we change through time.

1:36.3

The pieces and parts of every single cell in your body degrade and get replaced continuously

1:43.3

such that you are, physically speaking, a totally new person

1:48.3

every few years. And yet, we experience the illusion that we are the same person we've always

1:55.4

been. We have this illusion of constancy. So last week we explored this by considering the thought experiment of the

2:04.6

ship of Theseus. The story here is that each plank of a famous ship is replaced one by one

2:12.6

over time, which raises the question, is it still the same ship, even after every plank has been replaced,

2:21.8

and nothing of the original remains? We considered this question, of course, because like the ship,

2:28.7

we, too, exist with physical changes that never stop, and yet we perceive ourselves as constant through time.

2:37.6

The planks of Theseus' ship map onto the cells and molecules in our bodies. So what maintains

2:44.4

your sense of self over time? Okay, so maybe the thing that links our different selves through time is our memory.

2:54.3

But there's a problem here as well, which is that memory is notoriously unreliable.

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