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Today I am thrilled to have Dr. Deborah Rosman on the show.

She has been pioneering approaches for emotional regulation, workplace stress for decades.

And what's really cool is she is one of the, I mean, she's the CEO of Heartmath,

which I've mentioned many times on here as we incorporate some of the Heartmath tools.

I mean, just a little bit of them in our next level experience program.

So for any of you listeners who have gone through, you have known the benefits of what

the heart math techniques can do.

What sets her apart is not only her behavioral psychology background, which is really cool,

but her ability to articulate the science behind heartbrain connection in a way

that's practical, especially for those looking to enhance leadership and productivity.

I've always tried to explain the heart brain connection and I don't coherence.

I don't think I explain it as well as you're about to.

So she is one of the leading researchers still for heart math, all the technologies, the

heart math app, the interbalance trainer, which I talked to her briefly about that before we hit record, and is continuing to help thousands translate data into real improvements and focus and well-being. So thank you so much for coming on, Doc. Well, thank you so much for having me. Yeah. It was, you know, we'll get a lot of those emails. And I was like, yeah, I don't really know. And I was like, oh, man, yes. Like, let's have her on. This would be awesome. You know, because I was telling you briefly before we hit record that one of my really good friends, his name was Kevin Dapper, and he is,

for you guys, I don't even know if I mentioned to this. I think I did actually once on the show

recently, but he was one of my best friends and he helped me run the next help experience program.

We parted ways in that business, probably about three years ago, but sadly just passed away,

just had a crazy heart thing and, uh,

and, you know, such a good man. And I'm so grateful for him introducing me to heart math.

He had told me he said, I'm certified in heart math. And I said, I don't even know what that means,

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