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This is a collection of articles and films and stuff and things that I've learned from doing the podcast, all the experts I speak to.

And I thought, what can I do with it? Let's take it all. And I've put it all on a platform.

And I'm making some original content for there too. It's not self-help. It's me questioning life.

So hopefully building a community of people who like to question life, basically.

And as you know, I have more questions than answers on all these things. I'd love to know what you

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about it and whether you think it's a useful tool or just an interesting platform to read.

On today's hour, well, today I'm curious as to whether art is important. Help me out with this.

I'm going to be having a conversation with Bob and Roberta Smith. Bob and Roberta Smith wrote a book

called You Are an Artist and it's had quite an impact on me and my

daughter as we now spend time together creating art and we both absolutely love it. It's one of the

things we look forward to doing together. It had numerous ideas in it but I think the thing

which hit home with me most was the idea,

it really resonated with me, the idea that I didn't have to keep my art, that I could,

I could just spin it or I could just leave it somewhere. I didn't have to keep coming back to it.

It didn't have to define me. And it's just really deep stuff, but I've always sat down with a pen and paper or some paints looking at and going to do to create. And I think in the back of my mind, it was always going to be forever. And I was like, hold on, an idea is not forever. Art doesn't have to be forever. You know, so, so just that slight shift in when I was reading through his book and stuff made me think, I can just do this.

I can do something and it can be awful and it doesn't have to define me at all.

It's just an awful thing I've done, which started off as a good idea but ended up being bad.

Actually, though, some of the stuff I do is quite good.

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