Hello friends and hello Jeff. Welcome to your favorite, my favorite, everybody's favorite

therapy themed podcast. We're talking about something that's maybe not everybody's favorite today.

No, it's not everybody's favorite, but I think it's probably what we all go through many, many times in life.

So it's an important topic.

So many times.

It's a human experience.

Probably one of the most painful, if you ask me, depending on like, it's the worst.

Yeah, we're talking about breaking up.

Breaking up. We're talking about the old heartbreak, the old how to break up, what that looks like at different stages in the relationship.

Yeah, so we're going to be focusing on how to break up, like I guess if you're the

breaker upper. We can also talk about like how to maybe accept the breakup if you're the

breakup. But Sarah, do you typically do the breaking up or do you typically

get broken up with? I would say I typically, you know it's probably 50-50.

I would have said that I do the breaking up with

the... I think what I did was

improperly end relationships that were very short-lived in ways that I like I guess I was

doing the breaking up when I was just kind of fading away I guess it was like ghosting

before ghosting maybe and then of

a fading way. I guess it was like ghosting before ghosting maybe.

And then I feel like I'm the one who said I would like to get divorced.

So, you know, I've broken up with somebody after a year or so, but I've also been dumped in relationships where

I was very invested and for different reasons, you know, like kind of like mutual, you know know we're not really feeling this and

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