Hey all, welcome to a great discussion with Dr. Ben, Dr. Ben Boccaccio, that is.

So I interviewed Ben in 2016 in San Diego, fantastic guy, and he set up the first gyms that were high volume back in the 1970s or 80s.

And he still looks fantastic today in the 70s because he knows the secret of true fat loss through the best methods so he is a couple of PhDs and he knows all about stress training the right training 15 minutes twice a week even with huge benefits so really fascinating discussion and as it happens I also

mention my whoop device which I'm wedded to find it an enormous assistance and Ben was

not too knowledgeable on heart rate variability or HRV so we chat about that as well and at the end

I have a discount for this incredible

technology, but I get into that at the end. Here we go. Hey guys, delighted to be back chatting with my

good friend, Dr. Ben Boccaccio, who set up some of the first really efficient gyms targeted at

fat loss, etc. I think he has a couple

of PhDs and we chatted in San Diego and we had a couple of pods before. But anyway, great to be back.

Hey, how are you doing, Ben? Ah, great to see you again, Ivor. Always a pleasure. Yeah, it's good times.

I think it was back in 16 or 17. We were in San Diego and you came up to me or showing me your book and we were chatting.

But a simpler world back then.

Absolutely.

But we won't get into that stuff.

So here I just want to catch up again and you had an idea or two on stuff you might want to talk about maybe we could do

though a really quick recap on what are really the most efficient exercise regimes in very short

periods of time and why okay well i mean i've always been kind of a minimalist in other words

for almost any kind of behavior

that requires any kind of discipline, which most of the good ones seem to. So what's the least

amount of an intrusion I can make in my lifestyle and get the best bang from my buck for benefit?

Okay. And I think that helps us as providers of this information make our message more palatable.

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