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The Jesse Mecham Show

EP07 Money Stories: Student Debt? No Problem. Staying Positive During Debt Paydown with Abbie Shepherd

The Jesse Mecham Show

YNAB

Kids & Family, Education

4.71.1K Ratings

🗓️ 12 May 2021

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

In today's episode of Money Stories, Jesse chats with Abbie Shepherd, a clinical psychologist who recently earned her PhD and is working her first real job after her long journey in higher education. Most people understand that earning a PhD takes a lot of academic rigor, but few realize that it is very taxing on the budget as well. In addition to incurring student debt during the multi-year PhD process (usually preceded by a Masters degree and Bachelors degree, for which you may incur debt as well), it's difficult to work and earn money along the way.

 

In Abbie's case she typically worked for minimum wage when she could during her demanding PhD program. Meanwhile, her husband worked as a pastor, which is a lower earning field. Needless to say, money was tight during those years, but Abbie and her husband kept a clear head and long term vision. Abbie knew that a PhD would give her the most flexibility in her work -- she could work as a clinician, or teach, or both -- so they kept their expenses as low as possible while she was in school. They knew they would incur student debt for her coursework, but they worked hard to keep it to a minimum and not use student debt to fund their living expenses, like rent and food. Likewise, they limited their consumer spending, avoiding the pitfall of running up large credit card bills. By focusing on the long-term benefits of her PhD and having a strategy to minimize unnecessary debt (while being mentally OK with incurring necessary student debt), Abbie was able to ease some of the stress of her financial position as well. Nevertheless, Abbie came out of school with six figured student loan debt that she is eager to tackle.

 

As a self-described enneagram type 1, Abbie admits budgeting and planning around money comes naturally to her, but YNAB has made an impact as well. Abbie discovered YNAB just a couple months ago, but it was the concept of aging her money and rolling with the punches which drew her in. The flexibility of the software was a bonus. Abbie is a responsible credit card user, paying off her balance in full each month, and she enjoys the rewards and points she earns in the process. She likes that the YNAB software can easily help her track expenses on the credit alongside her bank account.

 

Abbie has created an Instagram account to report on her debt paydown and budgeting tricks. You can follow her there @budget_crush.

 

 

Sign up for a free 34-day trial of YNAB at www.youneedabudget.com

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0:00.0

Hello Wine Evers, my name is Jesse Meakin and this is podcast number 492 for Wine

0:18.0

Evers.

0:19.0

We teach you four rules to help you stop from paycheck to paycheck.

0:21.5

Get out of debt and save more money today.

0:23.7

I have with me a fairly new Wine Evers.

0:26.2

Her name is Abby Shepard and she is a freshly minted PhD and she's also a freshly minted

0:35.0

Wine Aber in the sense that she's pretty new at this but I love how she discusses her

0:40.8

debt and it's not a little bit and how she and her husband are managing it and how they're

0:45.9

just kind of cool as a cucumber just like we've got this plan and we're going to work

0:50.6

it and she tried a lot of different budging apps and Wine Ab finally stuck.

0:55.6

So they're staring down six figures of student loan debt and then you look at how she's

1:00.4

approaching it mentally and you think, yeah, they're going to get it just fine.

1:04.6

Let's see.

1:05.7

What else should I tell you about that before we jump in?

1:08.7

I think the biggest word I would probably pull out of it is they're looking at it sustainably

1:14.3

so they're very intentional about their budgeting but they're also looking at the path, the

1:19.1

speed at which they're taking on this debt.

1:23.8

They've adopted a sustainable pace and you will hear that kind of interwoven throughout

1:27.7

my chat with Abby.

1:28.7

So I think you're going to enjoy this conversation.

1:31.2

If you're a new Wine Aber and you're staring at a smaller, large amount of debt, I think

1:34.2

you'll find a lot of inspiration here and if you're a veteran Wine Aber, you might just

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