Hey, guys, welcome to the messy table, an ordinary space for us to pause and remember that God is at work in our mess.

Well, I am Jen Jewel, and I have the tremendous honor of hosting this faith-fueled conversation-style podcast,

which unleashes a brand-new story of hope and truth and encouragement right into your speakers, your earbuds, every other Tuesday.

And back with me today as my co-host is my good friend and pastor's wife, the Amy Groschelle. Y'all, we are actually partnered with

the women of our church, life church, because we love the local church. Yet we are also all about

locking arms with brave women who are following Jesus from all over the world,

from all over the greater capital C church. You know, here at the messy table, we frequently

attempt to dig beneath the surface, to get behind the scenes, and to talk about those things

we might not see on Instagram. But I know, and you know, there is always a story behind the

glory. And that is especially true when it comes to our guests for today.

Jill Donovan is a wife, mom, and a law school professor turned entrepreneur,

who is now the founder and CEO of an Oklahoma-grown business

that started as a messy hobby in her guest room,

but has basically exploded over the past 10 years.

Jill's business rustic cuff specializes in all kinds of cuffs and other adorable accessories.

Many of them holding purposeful words like prayer changes things, or embrace the detours in life,

or let your faith be bigger than your fear.

Jill is passionate and creative and driven and insanely generous.

She's actually written a book called The Kindness Effect. Experience the power of irrational giving.

And she also hosts a podcast called Finding Your Get To, which we're definitely going to touch on today.

Her usual, there's a surprising backstory as there often is, because no one is immune from real

life, but it also seems like that somehow those threads of purpose and pain are woven together.

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