This is trend following radio where great thinking comes alive.

Nobel Prize winners, legendary traders, bestselling authors, and the pros that know what drive us irrational human beings.

I am your host, Michael Covel, not filtered, raw, honest.

That's my passion. Sometimes you need to have a philosopher on the podcast, Somebody who takes a different vantage at subjects that we perhaps occasionally think about,

but don't give much time to.

My author today, Toby Ord, gives the time to us, to humanity, our very existence, our very survival.

Will we make it?

It sure is hell no guarantee.

Toby's new book, The Precipice, existential risk and the future of humanity.

Toby makes the strong case that protecting our future, humanity's future,

is the central challenge of our time. That's not something we ponder a lot, right? It's just not

typical dinner conversation, but I always thoroughly enjoy, and you know this if you listen, bring on the smart

people with a niche area that they dominate and let them educate us. Let us go down their path

for just a few minutes, just an hour, and find out something that can perhaps benefit us right now in our here and now.

Without any further delay, let's jump right into my conversation with Toby Ord

and discuss whether or not us humans will make it.

It's not guaranteed.

I hope you enjoy this conversation.

Music not guaranteed. I hope you enjoy this conversation. I love this title, The Precipice. I love the word. I don't think I've used the word in

writing. I don't know

when I've used it last. It's just one of those great words that a lot of people don't use. And

without looking in the dictionary, without consulting with Cambridge, Oxford, or whatnot, I would

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