Ep 92 – Joseph’s Myth Plus Justin Clark
Naked Mormonism Podcast
Bryce Blankenagel
4.7 • 680 Ratings
🗓️ 2 March 2018
⏱️ 93 minutes
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Summary
On this episode, we cover the evolution of the first vision accounts spurred by an 1841 interview with Joseph’s brother, Reverend William Smith. From the 1829 revelation included as D&C 20 today, to the mid-1830s, to the John Whitmer history in 1838, to the History of the Church printed in the Times & Season in 1842, Joseph story looks less like an actual occurrence and more like a the coming-of-age story to a mythological figure. Was it God and Jesus who appeared, was it the angel Nephi, did the Sacred Grove even happen? These questions and more pose serious challenges to the claims of divine provenance of the young prophet. After that we have on Justin Clark from the Reason Revolution podcast to talk about the rise of the freethought movement in 19th and 20th-century America.
Links:
1832 First Vision Account
http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-circa-summer-1832/1#full-transcript
1835/6 First Vision Account
http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-1835-1836/24
1841/2 First Vision Account
http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-circa-june-1839-circa-1841-draft-2/2
Several Remarkable Visions Orson Pratt
http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/appendix-orson-pratt-an-interesting-account-of-several-remarkable-visions-1840/3#full-transcript
MormonThink First Vision Essay
http://www.mormonthink.com/firstvisionweb.htm
MormonThink Nephi or Moroni Essay
http://www.mormonthink.com/nephiweb.htm
LDS First Vision Essay
https://www.lds.org/topics/first-vision-accounts?lang=eng
John Whitmer History Introduction
http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/john-whitmer-history-1831-circa-1847/1#historical-intro
1841 William Smith Interview p.410
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015004820760;view=1up;seq=425
Interviews:
Reason Revolution with Justin Clark
http://reasonrevolution.org/episode-36-the-interview-bryce-blankenagel/
We Talk About Dead People Sidney Rigdon
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/aaron-carter/we-talk-about-dead-people
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| 0:55.2 | may you ponder the truths you've heard. May they help you become even better than you were? |
| 1:02.9 | Skeptize everything. |
| 1:16.2 | Welcome to episode 92 of the Naked Mormonism podcast. |
| 1:18.3 | This is the Serial Mormon History podcast. |
| 1:21.1 | Today is Thursday, March 1st, 2018. |
| 1:23.8 | My name is Bryce Blankenagle, and thank you for joining me. |
| 1:29.0 | On this episode, we cover the evolution of the first vision accounts spurred by an 1841 interview with Joseph's brother, Reverend William Smith. From the 1829 revelation |
| 1:35.3 | included as Doctrine in Covenant Section 20 today, to the mid-1830s, to the John Whitmer |
| 1:40.3 | history in 1838, to the history of the church printed in the times of seasons in 1842 |
| 1:44.7 | Joseph's story looks less like an actual occurrence and more like the coming of age story of a |
| 1:50.6 | mythological figure. Was it God and Jesus who appeared? Was it the angel Nephi? Did the |
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