This is trend following radio where great thinking comes alive.

Nobel Prize winners, legendary traders, bestselling authors, and the pros that know what drive us irrational human beings.

I am your host, Michael Covel.

Not filtered, raw, honest.

That's my passion.

My guest today is Joseph Batarako.

He is a professor at the Harvard Business School.

His specialty happens to be business ethics.

Ooh, that's a mouthful, right?

What do you think of when you think of business ethics?

You probably think of some good and some bad.

Most people probably think of only bad.

Today, Joseph and I go into his newest book, Step Back, all about bringing reflection into our life. Let's face it, why do people like

so many of these stoic and Zen quotations that we all share on social media. They cause us to reflect,

to step back, to look at what we're doing. Are we just some robot mindlessly whipping through

life, making good and bad decisions with no plan at all? A lot of people are for sure.

So how in the world do you find clarity amid turbulence of our daily work and personal life?

It's about finding that time for pause.

Let's think about the small decisions, the big goals. Joseph lays out a plan for how one can

find that time to reflect. He digs in with a lot of pros to get their insights and gives us a

footprint, a template to try and find some time to reflect.

Because I got to tell you, in this day and age, where it's emotional outbursts constantly

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