Ep. 832: Osceola, Native American Slavery, and The Seminole Wars
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🗓️ 9 February 2026
⏱️ 120 minutes
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Summary
Steven Rinella talks with author Jamie Holmes, Randall Williams, Brody Henderson, Phil Taylor, and Corinne Schneider.
Topics discussed: Jamie's new book, The Free and the Dead: The Untold Story of the Black Seminole Chief, the Indigenous Rebel, and America's Forgotten War is out; deep archival research like a treasure hunt; the evidence base and when the notes section of the book is almost as long as the book itself; the complexity of stories about the Seminole Wars; turning what you know on its head; the environment of interior Florida; what enslavement meant to the tribes; who were the black Seminole people?; the relationship between Osceola and Abraham; and more.
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| 0:47.3 | Good Lord, writer Jamie Holmes is here. His third book's out. Just out. I'm holding my hand here. |
| 0:53.4 | It's called The Free and the dead the untold |
| 0:55.6 | story of the black seminal chief the indigenous rebel and america's forgotten war releases on |
| 1:03.6 | february third so we're going to talk about the seminal wars and we're going to talk about a feller |
| 1:07.8 | you have certainly heard about Aseola. |
| 1:15.9 | Jamie, I was going to tell you all about how I got interested in this. |
| 1:25.2 | I got interested in this when Clay on Bear Greece did a series on Osceola and thinking to myself, well, how would Clay get the definitive story? |
| 1:29.2 | There's got to be more. |
| 1:31.7 | There's no way Clay didn't miss big. |
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