Hi, guys. I'm Candice Kumai. Welcome to the Wabi Sabi podcast. This will either be episode 82 or 83,

depending on where we land, or maybe 84 or 85, because Jenna Coucher is here. And her new book,

How Are You Really, comes out June 28th, 2022. Welcome, Jenna.

Thank you. You guys are so, this is so legit. I feel so special. This invitation feels so

awesome. So thank you for having me. You're, I mean, you're like a fellow it girl where I just felt, I was like, damn, I like her.

It's going to be good. From the moment that I laid ice on you in that article, oh my God,

speaking of unfavorable articles. Oh, yeah. I've had a few as well. I went viral. So for people

that don't know what Candace is talking about, I went viral

years ago, I think four years ago now, for a picture of myself and my husband in our swimsuits.

And you know what's so funny about that viral post is I think I look great in that photo.

You do. And you know what? When people see you, they're like, she's hot. She's beautiful.

Like those are the first thing. I mean, people, whether they're in fashion, they're in food or media,

they all say that about you. So what Jen and I were talking about earlier was she's a fellow

podcaster, writer, photographer. She does the back of the camera and the front.

She runs her own business.

She does everything on her own.

She is self-made.

She's also a mom of two.

And what we synergistically and sadly have to talk about and relate to is the fact that

there are a lot of women in media that write poor

articles or take really awful photos and degrade women, which sets us back like 10 steps or 10 years.

And I think today will be really important for us to call out the fact that if you don't

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