The U.S. Army said, look, we know that the Soviet Union doesn't have the training to operate effectively at night.

And so the Army said, we want to own the night.

To me, if the Army did the same thing that they did with,

we're going to own the night, we're going to own robotic warfare.

I think it would allow us to really cause the Russians' pause.

I can see autonomous, unmanned casualty evacuation, autonomous unmanned resupply, robotic sentries

for combat outpost, etc. There'll be a whole lot of missions where you'll have nothing

but unmanned systems doing it.

Hey, welcome to another episode of the Modern War Institute podcast. I'm John Ambo, editorial director

at MWI, and I am joined by an especially esteemed guest in this episode, former Deputy

Defense Secretary Bob Work.

During his time in that role, he was responsible for overseeing the day-to-day operations of the Pentagon

and shaping DOD's $600 billion program.

He is perhaps most recognized for his role in developing what's called the third offset strategy,

the goal of which is to guarantee the

U.S. military's overmatch against its strategic adversaries. He has, to put it simply, a ton of

experience thinking about the future of warfare, and his remarks about that future that you'll hear

in this episode are insightful and nuanced and really fascinating.

But he also began his career as a Marine Corps officer,

just as the U.S. military was emerging from the Vietnam War and grappling with a range of Cold War era challenges.

That gives him a broad perspective, which, as you'll hear,

influences the way he thinks about the challenges of today and tomorrow.

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