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A boring night in a boring town with a stable crowd.

And I used to say that I never stay,

but I'm riding here to say. Hey everybody today's guest is none other than super producer

extraordinary Howard Benson who has produced a ton of huge hit records,

and done a couple of Less Than Jake records, most notably Hello Rockview.

We talk about history of a boring town

on how that was the first song Howard produced

that he was truly happy with. He talked about how the end of Big Crash brought him

to tears because it was such a big dramatic ending and how he applied that to

future songs that he produced.

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