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This season on Blood Trails, each story begins with a hunter stepping into the wild, but not all of them come back.

I'm Jordan Sillers, a journalist with over a decade of experience investigating stories about hunting, fishing, guns, and crime.

Join me as we track the truth through tangled cover and cold case files, where every trail

tells a story, and every story leaves its own trail of blood.

Blood trails. Listen now on Spotify.

Okay, ladies and gentlemen, we have a special emergency flop.

This is dedicated to all the listeners out there who stay.

We should just stay out of politics.

Join today by my friend Jeremy Romero, who's a hunter conservationist and serves with the National Wildlife Federation.

And Jeremy is here to talk about kind of what I view to be like. and serves with the National Wildlife Federation.

And Jeremy is here to talk about kind of what I,

what I view to be like one of the most,

I don't know, like,

uh,

trying to choose my words carefully here.

Cynical,

creative and kind of like,

um,

a little bit like of an exploitive.

Now explain why I'm using these words.

A cynical, exploitive public lands bill that has emerged without a lot of fanfare and without a lot of reporting.

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