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Make it count with SumUp. Download the app or find out more at sumup.com.uk. Katie Lopez is a woman with resilience.

She is the founder and creative director of sustainable underwear brand,

Stripe and Stair, but her journey to get there has been anything but smooth sailing.

Katie has faced more than your average setbacks,

and today she tells me

about the tools she used to overcome finding out that her husband and therefore herself were

1.5 million pounds in debt, a relationship breakdown at the same time and a heartbreaking loss,

and to come out on the other side with a growing company and growing self-confidence. She says, I didn't have the confidence

in myself until life tested me and I had no choice. Her story is incredible. She is incredibly

open about it and a real testament to the fact that sometimes you just have to put your big girl

pants on and find a way through. I cannot wait for you to hear her story and what she's learned from it.

Before we get into this episode, please go and follow and rate this podcast. It is not something

that you naturally do. I never go and rate and follow podcasts until I realized how much it

helped the podcast to be able to continue and to be able to get amazing guests on, just like it

does for this one. Thank you so much for joining me. Thanks so much

for having me. I'm very excited. As I do with everyone, I want to start at the very beginning.

I would love to hear a little bit about what your life was like growing up. Yeah, sure. I'm not

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