This is trend following radio where great thinking comes alive.

Nobel Prize winners, legendary traders, bestselling authors, and the pros that know what drive us irrational human beings.

I am your host, Michael Coval, not filtered, raw, honest.

That's my passion.

Now, when I started this podcast, there is absolutely no way I expected to be going down a path like I'm going to go down today.

Even though it kind of feels related to what I do, unexpected, completely unexpected.

My guest today is Safi Bacall, his new book, Loon Shots, How to nurture the crazy ideas that win wars, cure diseases, and transform industries.

Yeah, he connects all those dots.

Very cool.

As he might say, why did traffic jams appear from nowhere? What do James Bond and Lipitor

have in common? What can we learn about human nature and world history from a glass of water?

Safi goes a very surprising novel way about thinking about the mysteries of group behavior

that challenges everything we've ever

thought about or known about nurturing radical breakthroughs.

This is just cool stuff.

It's a cool way to think.

Without any further delay, let's jump right in my conversation with Safi Bacall and his new

book, Loon Shots.

And thinking about our conversation today, the first place that I have to start is your childhood.

Because, you know, you know, there's not many people who grow up with a mom and a dad who are both physicists, who both have Wikipedia pages.

And the Wikipedia page is somewhat recent,

but still, this is a lot of interesting perspectives. Now, the biggest thing that I want to ask

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