Like, I hate it. I was really scared to have a movie of all the sins that I didn't repent of,

like, shown at the Judgment Bar in front of everyone, because everyone, because everyone,

So, like, the five-second version is that the book is a story about how an anxious,

devout, warm and girl grows up to be a Lutheran pastor. I love, I love, you have it here,

I have it here. But more than that, you know, it's really a meditation on belonging,

on family, fundamentalism, sealing and grace. One of the loveliest definitions I've heard

for what grace is comes from a theologian named Paul Tillich, and he says that grace is being accepted

and more than that, it's accepting that you are accepted. I love, I love, I have it here, I work, I have it here, I work.

Grace has been like a safety net. Grace has been an assurance of the assurance of my

belovedness that I love that I have inherent worth that there is hope that then allows me to engage

the world around me more honestly and openly from a more nuanced perspective that enables me to

speak the truth when I need to because it's, it's never, my fundamental loveliness is never at

state. I love, I love, I have it here, I work, I have it here, I work. It's about learning how to

reconcile and integrate seemingly irreconcilable and disparate parts of myself.

This is infants on thrones, baby steps, want some to preach to the philosophies of men.

I like magical time who are brilliant and do, mingled with humor. I don't believe them,

they'll be many willing to preach to you the philosophies of men mingled with humor. We are evolving.

Baby step, even by end, there's world of money.

Oh, free and always seems impossible until it's done. Look for the good and everyone.

Welcome back to infants on thrones. I'm Glenn Ostland and this is episode 742.

Sealed, an unexpected journey into the heart of grace, a conversation with author Katie Langston.

And today I'm going to talk with Katie. You're also going to hear a few clips of

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