Hey, everybody and welcome to the messy table, an ordinary space where we can gather together, even in the

craziness of current circumstances, despite lockdowns and social distancing and unprecedented loss.

And we can pause long enough to remember. God is still at work in our mess.

Guys, we actually posted a short eight-minute bonus episode last week about fighting fear and COVID-19.

And though we know things are continuing to evolve day by day, you can jump on that episode at any time, especially when you're feeling fearful.

And just let some of those timeless truths wash over you.

Well, I am Jen Jewel, the host of this faith-fueled conversation-style podcast,

which airs a brand new episode every other Tuesday. And while we are all slowing down and inevitably

considering what really matters in this grand scheme of life, it seemed like the perfect time

to share an extra special conversation with you. So last month, right before this coronavirus pandemic,

started to flare up here in the United States. My husband Derek, who's a pastor on staff at our

church, Life Church, and I were on a quick trip to California where we had the opportunity to sit

down and chat with an incredibly wise man. And we thought we'd pass that wisdom along to you as well.

But before I introduce him, first some context.

Basically, throughout my husband and I's entire marriage,

we've found the conversation between science and faith

to be one of importance.

And whether that's especially fascinating to you or not,

guys, this generation is here for it.

They're asking good questions, crucial questions, like, can science and faith really mix?

Or do I have to choose just one?

Does Christianity have a reasonable foundation, or is it simply a wishful leap in the dark?

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