You know, when I first started this podcast, I wanted to do this podcast.

I mean, I have radio, like television, I can talk to anybody several different ways.

This podcast was important to me because I wanted to talk to guests with unique perspectives on

what we're going through and people that have been shunned in academia, for example,

people who I wouldn't otherwise find myself talking to or people who wouldn't have an outlet

to share their amazing stories because of their political views.

And to do it in a forum to where we could just sit and just have a conversation because that

doesn't happen anymore. Agreeing with me on political issues or anything else has never been a

prerequisite. In fact, I want to hear different points of view. I want to be intellectually nimble

and curious. I encourage you to do something dangerous once a week, something that scares you once

a week. Have a conversation that you're not sure about. Listening is a lost art now and it is

absent in our culture and it's sapping our unity. Listening is one of those things that my

guest today has been cultivating on his own journey. This is an incredible story. College dropout

became brash, prodigious talent in the world of media and publicity. Huge success he wrote a book

in his early 20s and how to manipulate the media. He was really a fake news pioneer and he hated it.

In the aftermath of that book and his pulling back the curtain on the dark underbelly of American

media, he did what most brash prodigies failed to do without tragedy, addiction or failure,

forcing it on them. And that is self-reflection. He looked in the mirror and didn't like what he saw.

There has to be more to life than this. But how is he going to turn that ship? It was already

churning through deep, deep waters of lies. Answering that question has spurred him to remake his

career in a way that invited a lot of skeptical criticism because of the way he first burst on

the scene with his how-to book on medium manipulation. Is he still playing the medium manipulation

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