So I'm here with Adam Grant, author of the bestselling book, Give and Take.

Adam, how are you doing? I'm good. How are you, James? Good. Good. I have to, I have to make a

confession to you. At first I was a little reluctant and this is when I first started the podcast.

Someone suggested I should have you on and at first I was a little reluctant because someone told

me you say yes to everything and at the time I was writing a book about the power of no and

and someone told me a story that you even stabbed to like one in the morning replying to emails

because that's how much of a giver you are and it's the title of the book Give and Take. And so

is it true you stabbed to one in the morning responding to emails? Rarely. Okay, I'm gonna say no to

that. Okay, good. But like let me ask you a question and then I want to get into the to the topic

of the book. But like I'm sure initially when you were beginning your career and everything you

were probably responding to every email because you were building out your network you were in fact

giving because you're a giver. At what point where is the line of demarcation where the email

start piling up so much that you stop giving as much as you could and you address this a little

in the book but I'm just curious about your direct answer. Yeah, I think it basically you draw the

line when it starts to compromise your ability to achieve your own goals and live by your values.

And I guess for me that was right after Give and Take came out. I had basically only been visible

before that to my students and colleagues and some of the organizations I was working with.

And well let's just say when the New York Times writes that you never say no it invites just

about every taker on the planet to reach out and ask for something. And that made it a lot more

critical for me to set some boundaries. And then because this happens to me quite a bit then

did you get kind of negative feedback from that like everybody said hey I wrote you last week

and you never responded I thought you always responded you get kind of pushback.

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