And the Hello everyone and welcome back to the next episode of the Disclosure

podcast I am your host Ed and on this week's podcast this has

been a long time coming in many ways but I'm joined on the podcast by Matt who is

an ex- livestock hollier.

And we kind of, or Matt and I should say,

we kind of made contact probably about a year ago,

quite a while ago now, and Matt had reached out

saying that he wanted to have a discussion with me about kind of some things he's done but also about animal agriculture in general and even though he'd been involved in the industry and was no longer doing that side of things anymore, there was still some things that maybe we could

disagree on even though we probably have a lot in common and so I say it's taking a little

while to get to this point but I'm really happy to say that the match joining me on the

podcast today and I think we're going to have a really

interesting discussion about some things that you know I've never really spoken about before

in terms of you know the transportation of animals but also I think into a wider discussion

of of exploitation of animals and I know Matt has

spoken with a lot of really influential and interesting people you know within the

vegan movement and has obviously met and spoken to a lot of people outside of the

movement as well and so I think the

conversation today will have a really interesting tone to it and I think we will

learn a lot hopefully from each other I know I'm going to learn a lot from

Matt and hopefully you know I can reciprocate that learning as well.

So Matt, thank you so much for joining me on the podcast.

It's a pleasure to have you here.

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