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🗓️ 2 December 2025
⏱️ 58 minutes
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In this episode, Fetch.ai founder Humayun Sheikh joins Bryce and Brendan to address the fallout from the Ocean Protocol dispute, detailing how millions of tokens meant for community rewards were allegedly misappropriated. He describes the resulting legal action as a stand for fairness in decentralized governance, emphasizing that the Fetch and ASI teams remain focused on innovation. The discussion transitions to AI development, where Humayun Sheikh outlines Fetch’s live ASI One platform, now powering millions of user-created intelligent agents and building toward an “AI-first” web. He concludes by previewing the upcoming ASI blockchain, optimized for AI workloads, and reaffirms his commitment to making decentralized, agent-based AI systems a global reality.
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Chapters
00:00 — Intro and setup with Humayun Sheikh returning to discuss major updates.
01:45 — Overview of the ASI Alliance and why the projects merged.
06:39 — Humayun explains the Ocean token controversy and alleged misappropriation.
11:41 — How Ocean accessed the funds and why the DAO structure failed.
15:36 — Legal framing, community impact, and why this case may set precedent.
18:01 — What Humayun sees as the ideal resolution to the dispute.
22:34 — Shift to progress: ASI One platform adoption and agent-based AI.
26:40 — Breakdown of the AI-first tech stack and need for expert models + agents.
33:41 — How ASI aims to compete with Big Tech despite resource imbalance.
40:58 — Discussion on AI energy demands and future efficiency solutions.
44:11 — Thoughts on Michael Burry shorting AI giants like Nvidia and Palantir.
47:17 — What’s coming next for Fetch.ai: ASI Chain, compute shards, and broader adoption.
51:54 — Final remarks on overcoming setbacks and Fetch’s long-term global AI vision.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the Crypto 101 podcast presented by Gemini, your bridge to the future of money. |
| 0:10.2 | All right, everybody, welcome back to another episode, heavy hitting episode of the Crypto 101 podcast, high caliber action packed. |
| 0:23.7 | Brendan, how the heck are you feeling today? I'm excited, man. Hey, I'm doing pretty good too. |
| 0:29.6 | I mean, at the time we're recording this, we're getting some nice price action. We're getting |
| 0:33.7 | some good news. There's a lot going on. And man, we got a familiar guest, |
| 0:38.2 | a familiar face over here, one who we always appreciate having on. So can't get much better, |
| 0:43.2 | Bryce. Yep, I agree. Man, this is a true honor and pleasure, Humay and shake. Founder of Fetch |
| 0:51.5 | AI. We are welcoming you back to the show. I had you on a few times in the |
| 0:56.4 | past, but got some big updates and some big conversations to have today. So welcome to the show, |
| 1:02.1 | and how are you? Always a pleasure. As you know, Bryce, Brendan. It's always fun to have a chat |
| 1:09.7 | with you guys. I think we have a lot to |
| 1:11.2 | discuss, as we all know. So I'm really looking forward to it so that you guys can go ahead and ask |
| 1:19.0 | whatever you like and let's get it moving. Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean, there's obviously |
| 1:24.8 | for long time listeners know that we've, you know, we've been big fans of what you guys have been doing at Fetch AI and then the artificial super intelligence, ASI, you know, operation that you guys have been running in partnership with several other, you know, AI meets crypto projects. But it seems like there's been a little bit of a kerfuffle. |
| 1:45.8 | It seems like things have potentially broken down. I don't know. Tell us the high level. |
| 1:51.1 | What's going on? I don't want to read the tea leaves or get hooked on these random Twitter |
| 1:55.0 | threads because everybody's got an opinion. So let's hear from the horse's mouth. |
| 1:59.1 | Sure. We, as you know, we spoke about this. |
| 2:03.9 | We did a alliance and we did a token merger with three founding members, which was Fetch AI, |
| 2:13.8 | Singularity, an ocean. |
| 2:15.6 | And then we added another alliance member, which is kudos. |
| 2:20.7 | So, and we were moving along. |
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