This is a headgum podcast.

While Andrew and Craig believe the joy of discovery is crucial to enjoying any well-told tale,

they will not shy away from spoiling specific story beats when necessary.

Plus, these are books you should have read by now.

Music These are books you should been meaning to read.

My name is Craig.

My name is Andrew.

And this is our book podcast where each week one of us is taking a book and really holding space with it and feeling power in it, which is very powerful.

And it's just what I wanted.

By the time the holding space interview finally crossed my, like, transom, we were so many layers of discourse deep that I couldn't, I watched the source. I watched the source video and I only watched the source video. Yeah. And I could not understand how the conversation had gotten from that to where it had gotten. I was too far behind the Discord. I just saw a video today where Ariana Grande and Sinearivo both kind of copped to,

we didn't know what was happening.

And we're just as flabbergasted as you are.

And honestly, that it became a thing for being inscrutable makes us feel better.

I don't even know if it was inscrutable. It was weirdly said, but I don't think you can

really mistake the intent of the thing. I read an interview with Tracy Gilchrist, or Gilchrist,

who did the interview. It was, she was saying a thing that made sense but just

it the words that happened right then and there yeah the specific phrasing and the saladiness of

it sort of yeah it lent it accidentally lent itself to toing, and here we are.

And here we are discussing a meme on our book podcast,

where each week one of us does read a book and tell the other person about it.

Andrew, what book did you read this week?

I read Wicked, The Life and Times of the Wicked Witch of the West by Gregory Maguire.

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