This podcast, I want to introduce you to somebody who's had a lot of struggle in her life.

And she is the least expected to have struggle in her life.

She lived in the shadow of a very famous father, a man who led congregations around the world,

was the pastor for presidents, I think, from maybe Truman on.

In one of her books, she wrote,

I know what it's like to sit in a pew with a broken heart.

She has battled depression, addiction, shame, divorce,

bulimia, unwed pregnancy. Her latest book is,

Forgiving My Father, Forgiving Myself.

It's a meditation on forgiveness.

And it she quotes Pastor Greg Ogden, who writes,

at the core of every human being is the desire for deep and satisfying relationships,

because we are all created in the image of God.

Our conversation, I think, is proof of those words.

She starts out by telling me a secret.

And one, she was afraid to tell me,

Ruth Graham, the daughter of Reverend Billy Graham.

Hi, Ruth. Hi. How are you?

I'm fine. I'm so good.

So good to see you.

I'm good to see you.

I love you so much.

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