And now, from the University of Chicago Institute of Politics and CNN, the Axviles, with your

host, David Axelrod.

When you say conservative talk radio, it conjures up images of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.

One of the most thoughtful, interesting presences on conservative talk radio has been hew-hew

it, who had a long pedigree in government and politics as an aide to Richard Nixon after

his presidency, working in the Reagan White House and the White House Council's office.

He's a guy with an extraordinary set of associations and a fluent grasp of policy.

I don't agree with him on a lot of it, but I respect him for the intensity and depth with

which he thinks about it.

I caught up with you at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland, and we talked about

his life and where we are in our politics today.

You, you, it, we're here in your hometown for the Republican Convention.

We must still be buzzing with Cavaliers.

Had a million people downtown, David Axelrod.

A million people and not one arrest for drunken disorderly during the parade.

The night of the championship, they had five.

But I'm actually from Warren, Ohio, but I came to every Browns game from 1965 to 1974.

So I know my railing on downtown.

So you caught some of the Jimmy Brown years?

Unfortunately, he retired in 64, and I can't remember seeing it.

I had Leroy Kelly and Ernie Green, a little bit of Frank Ryan, but not Jimmy Brown.

I grew up in New York, and there was, and Sam Huff was the middle wine backer for the

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