Hi, this is Josh Marshall, and this is the Josh Marshall podcast.

We don't usually talk a lot about foreign policy on this show, but we're going to do it today. I think everybody has heard what has been

happening, this escalation between President Trump and the White House and Iran.

Obviously, the United States has had fairly troubled relationships

with Iran for almost four, I guess actually literally 40 years now.

It's dating myself here a little bit. And there have been many

ups and downs, mainly downs, but we're clearly in a down. We are joined today by Laura Rosen who writes for Almonitor, which is a which is a publication

that focuses in a lot of country areas in the greater Middle East.

So she's a real expert on this and not just the area, but the Pentagon side and everything.

So this is a real treat.

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