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Hi, everybody. Tom Woods here. Alex Epstein is back with us today. We talked to him all the way back on episode 285. And at that time, we were talking about his book, The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels, which is a terrific book. I highly recommend. You can find it on the show notes page. Today's will be, of course, Tom Woods.com slash 653.

I will also be linking to the Center for Industrial Progress, of which Alex is founder and president.

That's at industrialprogress.com.

And I want to talk to Alex in particular about his recent testimony before a Senate committee.

And he got into a little bit of a back and forth with Senator Barbara Boxer.

And I thought, well, all kinds of issues can come up in relation to that.

And we'll have a good time talking about it.

So Alex has returned to the program nearly 400 episodes later. Alex, welcome

back to the show. Hey, good to be back. Of course, I want to talk about your testimony, your Senate testimony,

from last month, April 2016. What was the name of the subcommittee that you were speaking to?

It's the Senate Environment and Public Works

Committee led by James Inhoff and co-chaired by Senator Barbara Bucks or my own senator here

in California. Okay. Now, what was the theme of this particular hearing? My understanding is

that it was meant to be a hearing, I don't know, more or less in opposition to the president's energy policies. Is that right?

Yeah, it's the official title was examining the role of environmental policies on access to energy and economic opportunity.

Now, that refers to environmental policies, refers to President Obama's environmental policies,

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