Cyber war is the hacking of networks.

Like war is the hacking of people on the networks by driving ideas viral through a mix of likes and lies and the network's own algorithms,

but with real-world effect.

ISIS embraces the idea that the world is now watching the social media and weaponizes it.

It creates a hashtag for it, all eyes on ISIS.

It wants the world to watch because it has figured out a way not just to achieve the attention of the world,

but to change the hearts and minds and the physical actions of the Iraqi soldiers

who are watching the same thing trend on their smartphones.

Hey, welcome to another episode of the Modern War Institute podcast.

I'm John Ambo, editorial director at MWI,

and this episode features a conversation I had with P.W. Singer.

He is the author of several books including as co-author with August Cole, the book Ghostfleet,

which is an MWI favorite. His most recent book, which he wrote with Emerson Brooking, is called

Like War, the weaponization of social media. It just came out in the past few weeks, and many of our

readers will at least have heard of it because it has generated a lot of buzz. Many have also

probably read it. It is part history, part analysis of current events, and even part sort of horizon

scanning. I've really enjoyed reading it, and I also really enjoyed the chance to hear more about

it in the conversation you were about to listen to.

Really quickly, before we get to that, just a couple things.

First, I want to say a very sincere thank you to those of you who have subscribed and listened to the episodes.

It is an absolute thrill to get feedback on the podcast and to see more and more people listening to every episode.

If this is the first episode you've listened to, we would love it if you would subscribe.

...