Ep. 621 – Where Psychotherapy Meets Buddhism with Dr. Jeffrey B. Rubin
Mindrolling with Raghu Markus
Be Here Now Network
4.7 • 542 Ratings
🗓️ 21 November 2025
⏱️ 55 minutes
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Summary
Raghu Markus and Psychoanalyst Dr. Jeffrey Rubin unpack how mindfulness, empathy, and self-understanding connect the worlds of Buddhism and Western therapy.
In this Mindrolling episode, Raghu and Dr. Rubin discuss:
- Jeffrey’s traditional upbringing and the unexpected spiritual experience he had during a basketball game
- Key parallels between Western psychotherapy and Buddhist wisdom
- How “hovering attention” and mindfulness support both therapists and clients
- Identifying pure presence in numerous activities, from chanting to sports and beyond
- The marriage of Buddha and Freud: moment-to-moment non-judgmental, non-interfering presence
- Why some Buddhist practitioners can be “one with experience” but struggle to articulate what that truly means
- Viewing our symptoms as beautiful gateways to transformation rather than obstacles
- Putting practice into everyday life and helping people truly live differently
- Empathetically understanding those we disagree with
- Becoming open to feedback and growth instead of shutting down new ideas
- The ways in which we maladaptively try to cure ourselves
- What real, sustainable transformation actually looks like in practice
Grab one of Jeffrey’s central works, Meditative Psychotherapy: The Marriage of East and West
About Dr. Jeffrey B. Rubin:
Dr. Rubin practices psychoanalysis and psychoanalytically-oriented psychotherapy and teaches meditation in New York City and Bedford Hills, New York. Widely regarded as a leading integrator of the Western psychotherapeutic and Eastern meditative traditions, Dr. Rubin created Meditative Psychotherapy based on decades of study, teaching and helping people to flourish. Dr. Rubin is the author of six books and numerous publications. He has taught at universities, psychoanalytic institutes and Buddhist and yoga centers. Dr. Rubin lectures in the US and has given workshops at the UN, the Esalen Institute, the Open Center and the 92nd Street Y. His pioneering approach to psychotherapy and Buddhism has been featured in The New York Times Magazine. Sign up HERE for a workshop on self-transformation with Dr. Rubin
“I call it the marriage of Buddha and Freud. It’s any practice that cultivates moment-to-moment, non-judgmental, non-interfering presence. That can be qigong, prayer, or Sufi dancing. I don’t want the audience to think it has to be Buddhist; it can be many things. It just happens to be very well done in Buddhism. It’s any sincere path that will help you focus, concentrate, have more self-compassion and compassion for others.” –Dr. Jeffrey B. Rubin
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Hey everyone, it's Ragu, and I am back with a new mind-rolling podcast. |
| 0:17.3 | And I'm here with Jeffrey Rubin, Dr. Jeffrey Rubin, |
| 0:21.6 | who really combines psychotherapy and Buddhism. |
| 0:26.9 | And it's kind of one of my favorite things to do |
| 0:30.5 | is hang out with people like Jeffrey, |
| 0:32.6 | which I've done a lot. |
| 0:33.7 | Mark Epstein is in that area as well. |
| 0:41.2 | So, yeah, I believe we'll get something interesting out of this. Well, anyhow, welcome, Jeffrey, to the... Thank you for having me. It's a |
| 0:46.4 | pleasure to being here. Great. Do you want to just give us a little bit of an idea of how you got |
| 0:52.2 | where you are today, mostly in terms of consciousness. |
| 0:56.3 | And when a teenager, angst is my story, and then, you know, meeting up with psychedelics. |
| 1:07.8 | What's yours? |
| 1:09.6 | Mine is that I was a traditionally conditioned male teenager and I love basketball. |
| 1:17.6 | And when I was playing basketball when I was 18, a strange thing happened on the court. |
| 1:23.6 | We were winning by two points. The other team hit a basket with 10 seconds to we hit a basket |
| 1:32.2 | with 10 seconds to go then they hit a basket with five seconds to go oh my teammates were crushed |
| 1:38.2 | some strange calmness descended upon me i walked over to to my coach, who was also my English teacher. |
| 1:46.4 | I put my hand on his shoulder and I said to them, don't panic. Just tell them to get me the ball. |
| 1:52.3 | We rolled the ball in and the clock didn't start until I touched the ball. And luckily the other team stayed back. |
| 1:59.1 | And when I turned Raghu to dribble up the court, it was |
| 2:03.5 | monastery silent. I just didn't hear the cheerleaders. I didn't feel any fear. I didn't feel any |
| 2:11.6 | hope. My mind was blank. I guess in Japanese culture and martial arts and artists, they call it |
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