This is Trend Following Radio, where great thinking comes alive.

Nobel Prize winners, legendary traders, bestselling authors, and the pros that know what drive us irrational human beings.

I am your host, Michael Coval.

Not filtered, raw, honest.

That's my passion.

My guest today is Ozan Veral.

A former rocket scientist turned author, now law professor.

But what I'd love about Ozan, contrarian.

Someone that doesn't go with the herd, or at least doesn't try to go with the herd, tries to get outside the box

to look at things from that alternate perspective. But this is not easy, as this podcast series going back

many, many years can attest to, we are genetically programmed to follow the group. To follow the

lemmings off the cliff, that's what we do. But disruption, finding the place, the place that has not yet

been attacked, so to speak, in the system, in the mass.

That's where the opportunity is.

So as Ozahn says, when you learn how to challenge the status quo, you won't just change

the way you view the world.

You'll be empowered to change the world itself. He is so spot on, so much

of modern life is simply saying, I can do it. If not me, then who? If him, then why not me?

That's the deal. That's what we're all faced with. I hope you enjoy this conversation with

Ozahn, Barack.

Ozan, age 13, I know where you were, just because I've studied up a little bit here. Age 13, where were you?

What was on your mind at age 13? Give me the geographic location and what's on your mind, age 13.

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