Hey, I'm Cassie DePeckel, the host of Wunderys Podcast against the odds.

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Jody Weber is a retired special agent with the FBI.

During her 22-year career, she worked on the Centennial Olympic bombing case and was part

of the fugitive task force tracking serial bomber Eric Robert Rudolph.

She's worked numerous high-profile international terrorism and complex financial crime investigations

and was a 9-11 responder who worked for the crime scene at the Pentagon for 16 days.

Prior to joining the FBI in 1997, Jody was the morning anchor and investigative reporter

at an NBC affiliate in Wisconsin.

Welcome back to the show.

Hi Kate, thanks for having me.

So I wanted to talk about updates in the Idaho case.

The first question I have is, Kayleigh and Madison were killed first according to reports

that have come out.

And they also say that Ethan and Zanna were killed on the second floor afterwards.

Do you find these to be credible since there was a gag order given by the judge?

I have concerns.

Number one, given the gag order, you have to question who is the leak?

Who is the snitch?

Who's leaking this information?

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