ASP listeners, you can get 50% off your first order of CS Instant Coffee by using the code

adventure. Check them out. They've been a supporter of the show for a while, so it would really

mean a lot if you went and supported them. Thank you. We're literally climbing, and I see all this

surf on the horizon, and my Thai buddy Joey's, I'm like, what's the, what's all that surf?

I didn't think you guys got surf here.

It's like, we don't.

This is the Adventure Sports podcast where we hear stories of adventure from every corner of the planet.

We interview all sorts of folks who are using their sport to explore the world around them

and give you the inspiration you need to get out there and have some fun. This is kind of a new format for us.

This interview, as you probably heard in the intro, is a, you know, better quality for the guest.

That's because Aaron and I actually interviewed each other together at the house of pod in Denver, which is like a podcast

studio. But Aaron ended up writing about us late last year in the telegraph, and he got in touch,

and we just so happened to be near each other here in the Denver area. So we decided to meet up

and do an episode. So Aaron, thank you so much for suggesting that and

getting it set up. And it was a blast to be face to face with a guest and someone who has so many

accolades and was so fun to talk to. And our conversation kind of goes all over the place.

We talk about travel writing. We talk about some of his stories and adventures.

Talk about fatherhood a little bit

in our careers, and I hope you enjoy the interview. But Aaron is an award-winning travel writer.

He's written for the Times of London, National Geographic. He's done some documentary stuff for

National Geographic. He's written two books. One is about the 50 greatest wonders of the world,

and the other one is about the 50 greatest national parks in the world. So both just incredible

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