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don't invest unless you're prepared to lose all the money you invest this is a high-risk

investment and you should not expect to be protected if something goes wrong And now from the Institute of Politics at the University of Chicago and CNN audio,

the Axxwiles. your host, David Axelrod.

This episode is going to be a little different than the normal Axe Files.

I sat down at Arizona State University this week with two legendary political strategists,

Carl Rove, the architect of President George W Bush's campaigns, and David Plough,

my old partner and the brilliant manager of the 2008 Barack Obama campaign.

You can find their personal stories and past podcasts on the Axe Files, but in this conversation,

we talked the Biden Trump rematch which we all agreed is the most

unusual campaign of our lifetimes. These guys are really two of the greatest political minds of our times.

Guys I just want to start off we're in the midst of this really historic and

momentous presidential race and I just want your

candid assessment of where we are right now and I will offer mine as well so we can all be in trouble together.

But David, you want to start?

Well, first, Axe, thanks for having us.

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