Hey, Dubanets, how you doing? This next episode is fascinating. We suggested to us by Rob, one of the do badders, we spoke to our next guest, who is an investigative journalist on behalf of the German national television into doping. That's what he specializes in. So we go into details about the Chinese

doping scandal that we've talked about to do with the air conditioning. We talk about some of the

troubles with whitewashing, the size of sports now, and how doping works in different countries.

So if you've wanted to understand a bit more about what the flaws are and what's being

done to try and change them, then this is the episode for you.

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But that doesn't mean that you have to leave town. Come back. I see bad is. Welcome to Bad Boy Running and it's quite often we'll get suggestions from our listeners of someone to interview.

But thanks to Rob Eves who suggested our next guest because we've been talking about the Chinese doping scandal and particularly about

just the weirdness of how they got away with doping it seems because they just said the ventilation

staff had drugs in it and that's why everyone in this hotel had cheated no nothing to do with them

being jugged jupers, but just a simple,

you know, ventilation system mix up.

And Robert suggested that we speak to our next guest because he was actually involved

in the, the reporting and the undercover and the discovery of that, of that story.

So, um, we wanted to find out more about the details of that.

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