They're bad, they're boys, and occasionally they talk about running.

Yes, it's the Bad Boy Running podcast with your host, Jody Rainsford, and David Heller.

Come back.

Baby, come back.

But a bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye.

I must admit I was a clown to be messing around, but that doesn't mean that you have to leave town.

Thank you, so my next guest, I first met in Chamonie for the Monbloch Marathon and everyone

was like, he's going to lead out, He's going to be the person who's going to

take out an insane speed up this course, but will you be able to hold on? And we've traveled a lot

since and he always regals me with stories from before my time in the world of Oxford running.

He's an incredibly good road runner as well. But it was also recently started up the trail team in America,

which takes promising athletes who aren't trail runners

and convinces them that trail should be their home

and then gives them a career, basically.

So welcome to the podcast, the wonderful Andy Wacker.

Wee!

Thanks, David.

How come you're sat in a car at the moment?

Is that the best kind of acoustics in your setup?

You know, I've been super busy the last few days, which is good,

because obviously we're just in Asia for the Golden Trail World Series in Japan and China, and I've been super busy the last few days, which is good, because obviously we're just in Asia for the Golden Trail World Series in Japan and China.

And I've been back and I'm doing like 10 jobs at once every day.

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