The best gift I've ever received has to be a bike when I was younger, a pedal bike.

It was a sort of slick little road bike and I remember it was all like, it was so, it was all wrapped up,

it was so obvious what it was obviously because nothing's shaped like a bike and I had a little ribbon on it and I was so guest.

For that was a life changer and I'm still sort of big on cycling around my area now so for that one change me a little.

Enjoy in every sip with red cups now back at Starbucks.

Hey guys, welcome to relatable, happy Thursday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far.

If you have not listened to yesterday's episode on my family's experience with COVID and how I lost faith in the so-called experts go listen to that today.

We are talking about IVF with the same guest Jennifer Law that we talked with last week about surrogacy and this episode is always is brought to you by our good friends at good ranchers.

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So like I said, we are talking to Jennifer Law. If you have not listened to last week's episode last Thursday where we talk specifically about surrogacy,

the ethical moral questions that we should be thinking through when it comes to surrogacy in particular as Christians, she has been in this realm studying this realm advocating in this realm for over 20 years and you can listen to all of her credentials and her stories and that last

episode and you can listen to more about her work in this area in the last episode and more about surrogacy. Now we are going to be talking a little bit about surrogacy but we're also going to be talking about IVF and look I understand this is a very sensitive topic.

This is a very personal topic and I understand that there's going to be disagreement on this subject. Please know going into this that my desire my heart is not condemnation.

It is not judgment. It is not exclusion. It is not condescension. It is love and it is a desire for clarity. It is a desire to have courage in an area that people Christian non-Christian conservative liberal really don't want to talk about because it is so personal because we are dealing with such sensitive topics.

But because we're talking about babies because we're talking about natural processes that have become more technological and artificial in nature. There is so much for us to think through when it comes to the biblical basis for this when it comes to the morals and ethics of all of this.

We're going to be thinking through and talking through a lot of those questions today. If you disagree or if you have a different perspective that is okay. Feel free to reach out to Jennifer and you can reach out to me on Instagram. I might not see your message but if I do I'll try to respond to you. It's okay.

We are waiting into what we know is a controversial area and we're having what I think is a really really important and a very informative discussion. I know it's going to get you to at least think about this if not change your mind.

So without further ado here is our new friend Jennifer Law.

Jennifer, thank you so much for joining us again. You are backed by popular demand. I had such a big reaction in response to our last episode overwhelmingly positive. Some push back of course.

I wanted to have you back on to talk a little bit more about the Syrigacy industry but also to talk about IVF. We kind of left everyone on a cliffhanger last time. I got so many questions about that. Tell me a little bit first about the reaction that you got to our conversation last week when we were talking before you said that you've received lots of messages.

Yeah, and I too was pleasantly surprised by the overwhelmingly positive messages that I receive people saying I'm so glad we're talking about this. I want to be better informed so I can talk about this to my friends.

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