This podcast started out as a golden nugget episode, and as we got into it, it turned

out to be something much, much more.

So there are golden nuggets that you're going to hear, but the bigger discussion is the

theme for this.

And as you saw in the title, this is a different discussion with Ryan Montgomery.

And Scott, you know, sometimes when you make comments and ask questions, you get a little

bit nervous about, is this question going to be taken right?

Am I going to look the fool for asking this question?

I'll really let the audience decide how foolish I was when I asked this question, but what

gave it away is when there was an awkward pause after asking the question to Ryan, it was

kind of an awkward long pause, and maybe it was only three seconds, maybe four, but when

you have that silence, it felt like 40 seconds, it just felt awkward.

And then I heard a little bit of nervous laugh as he went into his answer, and I thought,

I really did it this time.

I didn't ask the right question.

How did you feel, Ryan, when I asked that question, was it obvious that I needed some more

education before I asked, or did it really set the stage for a good explanation?

Yeah.

Well, foremost, because on air, it's like, how do you best approach when you want to give

someone feedback?

And I'm definitely not, I'm definitely a person that loves to give feedback.

But yeah, when you had made a comment about how I feel like our trail community is inclusive,

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