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Happier with Gretchen Rubin

Ep. 524 Use a Messy Closet, a 3-Hour Rule for Difficult People & Renowned Judy Blume on Reading

Happier with Gretchen Rubin

Gretchen Rubin / The Onward Project

Education, Health & Fitness, Self-improvement

4.713K Ratings

🗓️ 5 March 2025

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

We explore a helpful approach for handling important tasks that can’t be dealt with at present, by stashing them in the metaphorical "messy closet" without guilt. Our happiness hack offers expert advice for managing social situations with difficult people. We also feature a special interview with legendary author Judy Blume about fostering a love of reading, her experiences with book banning, and insights from owning an indie bookstore. 

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0:00.0

Gretz, you and I both love Whole Foods Market, and as the weather gets warmer, we want to have some lighter meals.

0:08.3

Whole Foods Market has what you're looking for with great everyday prices.

0:13.2

At Whole Foods Market, you can save every day.

0:15.5

Look for the yellow low-price signs that help you save money without compromising the quality you expect from Whole Foods

0:21.2

market. Find them with their responsibly farmed Atlantic salmon, no antibiotics ever ground beef,

0:27.3

and boneless, skinless chicken breasts, plus more throughout the store. Yellow really means savings

0:32.1

at Whole Food Market because their sale signs are also yellow. So basically, whenever you see yellow,

0:37.3

you know you're saving

0:38.1

money. Save on the best of spring with great everyday prices at Whole Foods Market.

0:43.3

Hey, Gretchen here. Are you looking for your next great read but don't have time to browse?

0:48.1

Then I have the perfect recommendation, the Webby Award-winning podcast, totally booked with Zibby,

0:53.9

formerly known as Moms don't

0:55.5

have time to read books. Hosted by best-selling author Zibi Owens, dubbed New York City's most

1:00.9

powerful bookfluencer by Vulture, Totally Booked with Zibi offers an insider's look at the

1:06.4

world of books every single day, featuring an impressive lineup of guests like actor and filmmaker

1:11.4

Ed Burns and Canadian writer Carly Fortune, and including me. So stay on top of the latest

1:17.7

releases, bestsellers, and hidden gems. Follow Totally Booked with Zibi wherever you're listening

1:22.4

now. Lemmonada. Hello and welcome to happier, a podcast where we talk about ideas and strategies for making our daily lives happier.

1:47.2

This week, we'll talk about why you might want to stash something in the messy closet,

1:51.9

and we will be talking to the legendary author, Judy Bloom.

1:57.8

I'm Gretchen Rubin, a writer who studies happiness, good habits, secrets of adulthood, human nature.

2:03.8

I'm in my little home office in New York City, and joining me today from Los Angeles is my sister

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