Ep. 517 Two Conscientious Objectors from the Air Force Tell Their Story
The Tom Woods Show
Tom Woods
4.8 • 3.4K Ratings
🗓️ 22 October 2015
⏱️ 34 minutes
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Summary
Justin and Jessica Pavoni entered the military for the same patriotic reasons many other Americans did in the years following 9/11. But several years later, they decided they could no longer participate, and filed for conscientious objector status. We follow them through the whole story in today's episode!
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| 0:00.0 | The Tom Woods Show, episode 517. |
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| 0:35.9 | What a special episode we have today. We're talking today to Justin and Jessica Pavoni, |
| 0:40.0 | a husband and wife team who were both in the Air Force and who both declared themselves conscientious objectors back in 2013. This is quite an interesting |
| 0:47.4 | story. I know only the basic contours. I resisted the temptation to get their whole story in |
| 0:53.4 | advance because I think it's more interesting if the story unfolds for all of us together. I resisted the temptation to get their whole story in advance, because I think it's more |
| 0:54.9 | interesting if the story unfolds for all of us together. I'm going to link on the show notes page, |
| 1:00.3 | tomwoods.com slash 517, to a number of relevant items, including the episode I did with Bill Galvin, |
| 1:07.7 | who runs the center, or one of the people who runs the center on conscience and war, |
| 1:11.9 | which helps guide people people through the conscientious objector process. |
| 1:18.0 | So there'll be a lot of items like that on that page that you'll want to check out. |
| 1:21.5 | But let's talk right now to Justin and Jessica, whom I welcome to the show. |
| 1:25.2 | Thanks for being here. |
| 1:26.2 | Hello, thank you for having us. |
| 1:27.5 | Yeah, hey, Tom. Thanks for having us on your show. |
| 1:29.8 | This is an interesting subject. I did an episode on conscientious objectors and a guy named Bill Galvin from the Center on Conscience and War, but I haven't spoken to anybody who's been involved in this in recent years. I mean, I know he was outspoken against the Vietnam War many years ago, but in terms of people who have been involved in the military since 9-11, I haven't talked to anybody who's gone through the process. I don't know what it's like. And I want to talk about all this stuff with you guys. Now, we met briefly at the Ron Paul |
| 2:04.0 | birthday party a few months ago in Texas, and then I talked to Scott Horton, who knows you folks |
| 2:10.4 | also. So I thought, let's talk this through, but I don't want to ask you before we go on |
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