And now, from the University of Chicago Institute of Politics and CNN Audio, the Axe Files, with

your host, David Axelrod.

Maggie Haberman and Donald Trump will be tied forever in the public consciousness.

Haberman, a Pulitzer Prize-winning political reporter for The New York Times, has covered

Trump for decades, dating back to her years as a reporter for The New York Tabloids, which

is when I first met her.

Now she's written a definitive biography on Trump, which puts him in the context of a life,

dating back to his roots in the sketchy world of New York real estate and politics, and

not just his relatively brief political career.

I spoke with her the other day about her long history with Trump, and her new best-seller,

Confidence Man, the Making of Donald Trump, and Breaking of America.

Here's that conversation.

Maggie Haberman, my friend, it's great to see you.

You're the talk of the town, whatever town you're in.

You're the talk of the town now because of your new book, Confidence Man, the Making

of Donald Trump and the Breaking of America.

I want to talk about all of that, but I want to start with your, this whole book could

be, could have been titled Past as Prologue.

That's really sort of the light motif of your book, which is that Donald Trump didn't

start behaving this way in the last seven years.

This is behavior that's been modeled over the course of a lifetime in business, as well

as politics, and entertainment and all of that.

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