The Yes, yes, welcome in to the Tim McKernan show. I am your host Tim McKernan

alongside the producer of this fine presentation. John Seymour aka the Seymour

welcome in for another edition of the podcast. So I know a lot of the

discussion over the last I mean really you can go back a year

but in particular over the last few weeks have been on the NFL protests and

when I had a chance to sit down with former Senator Jack Danforth

we discussed those protests, got his perspective, and my thought process on the discussion is oftentimes people who are participating in the discussion, at least the discussions that I am usually involved in are most of the time not African American and most of the time haven't played in the NFL.

And so from my perspective... haven't played in the NFL.

And so from my perspective, it is optimal,

if it all possible, to speak with somebody

who has the life experiences of those who are kneeling or protesting during the National

Anthem.

And while getting somebody who might say something incredibly flamboyant, provocative,

colorful with their language that would piss off people with a different viewpoint might be quote unquote

better radio if you want to call this radio better podcasting whatever you want to call it

I don't know better broadcasting more titillating

It's not the way that I want to try and operate this show I would rather try and listen and understand and be able to ask questions opposed to do one of those

cable news shouting match things. It's just not really what I'm interested in doing.

So when I was trying to understand better the perspective of an African American

who has played in the NFL or is playing in the NFL. I started to think okay who would be somebody

that I could just somebody I could just have a conversation with and just listen and

then also if I disagree counter and as I thought about it it

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