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The Bulwark Podcast

Ep. 5: The Corruption of Lindsey Graham

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.68.9K Ratings

🗓️ 31 July 2023

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

By the time of the Ukraine scandal and impeachment, Lindsey Graham and other Republicans had grown tired of defending Trump's corrupt behavior. But they didn't blame Trump—they blamed the investigators, and essentially handed Trump the power to do as he pleased. The Bulwark Podcast presents The Corruption of Lindsey Graham, with Will Saletan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

On September 26th, 2019, Senator Lindsey Graham ran into two reporters outside a stake

0:16.2

house in Washington, D.C. That morning, the House Intelligence Committee had released

0:21.5

a whistleblower complaint that outlined a new scandal. In a phone call two months earlier,

0:28.3

on July 25th, 2019, President Donald Trump had pressured the new president of Ukraine,

0:34.8

Volodymyr Zelensky, to investigate Joe Biden, who at that time was the Democratic frontrunner

0:41.2

to challenge Trump in 2020. In the phone call, Trump had reminded Zelensky that the United States

0:48.6

through military aid was protecting Ukraine. In other words, Trump was trying to extort Zelensky

0:56.4

to help Trump win reelection. In that September conversation outside the stake house,

1:02.6

as it was later described by Peter Baker and Susan Glasser in their book The Divider, Graham

1:08.5

told the two reporters that Trump had just called him to ask how to deal with the scandal.

1:14.3

Graham's advice to Trump was to deny the allegations and to attack the accusers.

1:20.1

Graham knew Trump was dishonest. In fact, Graham told the reporters that Trump was quote,

1:27.7

a lying mother fucker. But despite this, and despite whatever Trump had done, Graham predicted

1:35.6

that Republicans in Congress, out of sheer party loyalty, would stand by the president no matter what.

1:43.4

Graham literally told the reporters that Trump quote, could kill 50 people on our side,

1:50.1

and it wouldn't matter. That was the condition of American democracy after three years of

1:57.2

Republican consolidation around Trump. The president, shielded by his party, could no longer be held

2:05.6

accountable. This is the corruption of Lindsey Graham, presented by the Bullwork podcast.

2:13.2

I'm your host, Will Salatayne.

2:25.2

The Ukraine scandal was a natural sequel to two other corrupt episodes Graham had already

2:30.8

defended. The first one was the Russia scandal. In that episode, Trump had gotten away with

2:38.1

soliciting foreign interference to help him defeat Hillary Clinton. So now, in Trump's re-election

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