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Hello everyone and welcome to the Tatecast episode five. I'm Davis-Matic. You can find me on Twitter at Davis-Matic. Today is a pretty special episode. I'm interviewing Grant Wall from

Sports Illustrated about his book,

Masters of Modern Soccer. And I will read all of your ratings and reviews on iTunes after the

interview. All right, everyone, I'd like to welcome Grant Wall from Sports Illustrated to the podcast. He is the writer of Masters of Modern Soccer,

how the world's best play the 21st Century Game. Grant, thank you so much for doing the show.

How are you doing? Thanks for having me. I'm doing all right. I bet yourself.

Pretty good. The book. The book is fantastic. I would recommend everyone read it. We do book recommendations on the podcast sometimes, but my recommendation is just going to be this one. It features interviews with a lot of, you know, kind of the preeminent soccer players in the world. But the chapter that was most interesting to me was the one with Michael Vork,

or Zork, who is the, you know, sporting director at Berusha Dortmund, a German soccer

club in the Bundesliga of, I'm, of which I'm a fan. And a point that you really drove home

in your interview with him is that the club does acknowledge that they are a stepping stone.

And this is not something, this is unique to European sports.

You know, there's not an equivalent to this in the United States because, you know,

all these leagues have salary caps.

But they do acknowledge that they are a place that players go before they play for

Real Madrid or Barcelona or Manchester United.

But the question that really interests me is, is his job and by extension the manager's job?

Is it more of a business position than really just a footballing one?

Because the people who benefit from Dortmund always winning these contract negotiations are not the fans. The fans would win if Usman Dembele was still playing, or if Lewandowski

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