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Everyday Wellness with Cynthia Thurlow ™

Ep. 489 Why Women Lose Their Voice – The Shocking Link Between Perimenopause & People-Pleasing with Meg Josephson, LCSW

Everyday Wellness with Cynthia Thurlow ™

Cynthia Thurlow

Alternative Health, Nutrition, Science, Life Sciences, Health & Fitness

4.81K Ratings

🗓️ 6 August 2025

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

I am honored to connect with Meg Josephson today. She is a psychotherapist holding a Master of Social Work degree from Columbia University, with a concentration in clinical practice. She is also a meditation teacher.  In our conversation, we discuss Meg's new book, Are You Mad at Me?, exploring fawning as a survival mechanism and why women are more likely to be conditioned into people-pleasing. We unpack the archetypes she refers to in her book, examining complex PTSD, and why fawners need to redefine their boundaries and acknowledge their grief and anger. Our discussion also touches on finding your voice during perimenopause and menopause, and why awareness is essential for healing. This conversation with Meg Josephson is truly invaluable, and her book is a vital resource for those who have experienced complex trauma in childhood or spent their lives people-pleasing and fawning. IN THIS EPISODE, YOU WILL LEARN: What fawning is, and why it becomes problematic if we keep on doing it when we are safe Why women and those in minority groups are more susceptible to fawning experiences  The six archetypes of people pleasers that Meg describes in her book Finding a voice to describe the experiences you grew up with Rewiring your beliefs to allow the weaknesses of your parents to become your strengths Why grief and anger are so significant for fawners Relating to your emotions rather than trying to erase them Why is it so hard for fawners to maintain their boundaries? How perimenopause and menopause provide an opportunity for women to think more introspectively How healing begins with awareness Understanding that we cannot control the perceptions of others Connect with Cynthia Thurlow   Follow on X Instagram LinkedIn Check out Cynthia’s website Submit your questions to [email protected] Connect with Meg Josephson On social media: @ Meg Josephson Meg’s Peace of Mind Substack

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0:00.0

Welcome to Everyday Wellness Podcast.

0:03.7

I'm your host, nurse practitioner, Cynthia Thurlow.

0:07.4

This podcast is designed to educate, empower, and inspire you to achieve your health and wellness goals.

0:13.9

My goal and intent is to provide you with the best content and conversations from leaders in the health and wellness industry each week and impact

0:22.1

over a million lives.

0:29.1

Today I had the honor of connecting with Meg Josephson.

0:33.6

She is a psychotherapist who holds a master of social work from Columbia at university with a

0:39.3

concentration and clinical practice. She is also a meditation teacher. Today we dove into her new book,

0:46.3

Are You Mad at Me, discussing the significance of fawning, especially as a survival mechanism,

0:52.7

why women are more likely to be conditioned to people pleasing,

0:56.4

specific arch types that she discusses in her new books, as well as complex PTSD, why the

1:02.7

acknowledgement of grief and anger are so important for fauners, the importance of redefining boundaries,

1:08.4

the impact of perimenopause and menopause and finding our voice,

1:11.6

and last but not least, awareness and healing. This is one of these books that I think for so many of us

1:17.6

that have experienced complex trauma as children and have been people pleasers or have been

1:24.2

fawning throughout most of our young adulthood into middle adulthood.

1:28.7

This will be an invaluable resource, a really important and vital conversation with Meg,

1:34.0

one that I know you will enjoy listening to and reading her book.

1:40.4

Meg, such a pleasure to have you on the podcast.

1:43.6

Loved your book.

1:44.3

I know it'll be relevant to many, many people in my community.

1:48.5

Thank you.

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