Welcome to the Gritty Podcast. I am your host, Brian Call, and I'm joined by my

brother, the Gritty Proman. How you doing, Brent? Doing well today. I'm a little

tired myself. Ryan, why could you possibly be tired? The total archery challenge

was a couple days ago. Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. And here we are

Tuesday. Tuesday? It's Tuesday, right? Tuesday morning. Is it? And I'm a little...

Yeah, I'm a little fried from the... from the fun weekend. But the tack was fun.

We just wrapped it up. And today's podcast is with my friend, Ryan Carter. A shot...

A shot... The course, the mountain-opped course with Ryan. And then we recorded a

podcast on the low-polled live stage right at the tack. And on this podcast,

it... So I have an elk tag that I want to change tactics on this year. Normally,

I'm stoked about the rut. I want to call in bulls. I want to just have them come

in like a raging angry and I want to chase bulls all over the mountains. And I

still want to do that. But I also really want to pattern an older bull, get to

know the area a little bit. So I'm going to go hunt the area or scout the area in

August. And Ryan, there's no better person really that I know of to talk to

that preseason scouts elk, the way that Ryan Carter has. I mean, there are guys

that do it, but not especially with game cameras to the extent that I've seen

Ryan do it. You know, hundreds of cameras that he has. So that experience is

somewhat unique. And Michael Kevin has similar experience. He knows in Arizona

these places. Ryan admittedly, he's like, I know the areas and the behavior of the

bulls and where he's at in Utah. But picking his brain on particularly mature

bulls, how they behave, you know, a lot of guys might know that a bull comes to

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